In this enlightening episode, I engage in a meaningful (and productive) conversation with Marc Lesser.
Marc is a multifaceted leader with roles as a CEO, executive coach, and Zen teacher. With an MBA from New York University, he has founded three companies and authored five books, notably “Finding Clarity”. His passion for integrating mindfulness into leadership culminated in the “Search Inside Yourself” program at Google, an influential initiative that married emotional intelligence with mindfulness. Marc also brings unique insights from his ten-year residency at the San Francisco Zen Center and his stint as the director of Tassajara, the first Zen monastery in the Western world. His distinct blend of business expertise and Zen principles positions him as an exceptional figure in the spheres of mindful leadership and business strategy.
The episode moves forward with a fascinating discussion about the concept of clarity. Contrary to common belief, Marc proposes that clarity is not just a state of complete understanding or transparency but also includes elements of mystery and the unknown. This ties into what he refers to as the “fifth discipline of leadership”, emphasizing the practice of finding clarity within these nuances. Furthermore, Marc shares unconventional “anchors” or strategies that can assist individuals in finding clarity, including his unique ‘no festering’ rule.
Key Discussion Points
- The importance of understanding clarity as a concept that incorporates mystery and not just a state of perfect lucidity.
- Unconventional strategies for finding clarity, including the ‘no festering’ rule.
- An exploration into the role of ego in compassion and accountability, demonstrating how curiosity can replace judgement and anger.
- The trap of ego and the role of confidence and deep listening in avoiding this trap.
- Lesser’s views on the role of will in meditation, distinguishing between will and willpower.
- The transformative power of turning breakdowns into breakthroughs, accepting change and discomfort.
There’s also a mention of Ted Lasso that makes its way into our discussion – a discussion that is well worth your time. Enjoy.
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